You cant burn tanks or jets for fuel to cook over. We can argue interpretations, and theologies. I said going to a 9 Marks church is akin to living through the Salem Witch Trials! Or faith the size of a mustard seed. Why cant those who are alive when the Lord returns, whenever that is, be elevated off of the earth and meet Him in the clouds? David Jeremiah concludes his pitching for pledges for TBN and lauds the vision of Paul Crouch, which Jeremiah offers came from God. World doesnt mean world. As prophecy it must happen. Chris Okotie. Donna is a stay-at-home mom and is very involved in her husbands ministry. Muff Potter wrote: Source of Wealth: Professional author: Net Worth: $2 Million: Salary: Under Review: Awards/Achievements: That reason was that they would not listen to Moses and the Prophets, who spoke about Jesus. As far as the authors view on oil and the garden of Eden, if we believe such a place existed (I do, but many of my coreligionists interpret it allegorically) and if we believe it was never removed from the world, but simply had its human residents ejected and was then allowed to die, it stands to reason that it is oil or coal or minerals decomposing into oil and coal. Oh yeahnow there is plain and clear meaning! I thought I must have missed something. Say what we believe in but stay away from personalities. Isgho Votre ducation notre priorit . but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. A Doctor of Divinity is an honorary degree link and link. There *were*?talking cars back in the 80s, and man, were they annoying! Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, I think his point was that they didnt believe God, and wouldnt, even if someone were to rise from the dead that they knew. There has always been homosexual activity, because there have always been gay/lesbian/bi people, but the contemporary understanding of sexual identity is pretty recent. With the Church on the bandwagon going ME, TOO!). This book takes up several real-life stories to help teach the readers properly. Yep. Now Im thinking that I shouldnt have obliged you in the first place and just pretended that Im completely allergic to hugging.. Obviously, I am not serious about the number. for that matter, i find it hwrd to believe thwt the same group of people produced both Ecclesiadtes and Ezekiel, or the Song of Songs and Habbakuk. God cant speak metaphorically? Mannkind will find a way to wage war regardless of means. The interview was held on March 12, 2015 at the church. I dunno, maybe my art history studies (which are, by default, also a study of religion and culture) have colored my views, but istm that there wasnt a separate compartment for Hebrew thought/view of the world vs. Hellenism for seversl centuries prior to the time of Christ, let alone during his lifetime. Kind of like Scrooge not listening to Marley. Nevertheless, I think that insisting that horse must mean 4-legged animal in every context is a mistake. Founder of Turning Point Ministries, David Jeremiah. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: If you know Justin Peters, you know he never says anything lightly, and rarely if ever, does he ever say anything like that. When I once pointed out the parallels between said young ladys vision (start of the whole Rapture idea) and Trance Channeling a la Shirley MacLaine, I got turned into a pile of rocks. It keeps the film in my mind and makes it effect me more. You again wander away from the plain meaning to some other interpretation. Wowzers. I dont remember any talk about the end times, but they were really big on demons. We can pick and choose what we take literally. As a sweet little old lady (?) One does not have to agree with him totally in order to find a lot of good in what he says on this subject. Furthermore, Donna is a grandmother to twelve grandkids. True, but even a new believer cant overlook the numerous warnings by Jesus and Paul about being deceived. If you are born again, then there shouldnt be any dread regarding the tribulation and certainly not any lack of hope. Birthdate: November 24, 1984 Birthplace: Modesto, California Mother: Gwen A. Johnson Father: Terry B. Johnson Marriages: Nate Berkus (2014-present) Thats why I read the Bible literarily rather than literally. If only people would ditch their religious baggage, maybe they could see it that way. We cannot know what part of the Bible means to us if we dont first determine what the meaning is to the original audience. It keeps the film in my mind and makes it effect me more.. Jeremiah is a Christian author and the founder of Turning Point Radio and Television Ministries in the United States. got onto my computer to see what his net worth is, & found it to be $25 million dollars. It is the flat-out atheist who says there is no God, and that he, the atheist, doesnt sin. He is the founder of the ministry Turning Point and is the senior pastor of Shadow Mountain Community Church. The couple introduced four lovely children to this world who are grown up and invested in different professions. There is a third way to look at the Abraham and Lazarus thing. The program features Bible study, preaching, and worship music. Its just his version of what most consider allegory, so live and let live. Otherwise, being caught up to the clouds could mean getting on a plane or taking a spaceship for a ride. This is one of the first lies the church told him. What he says against some of the end times nonsense is well said and worth hearing. Now I need to know the cultural significance behind the words. An extensive knowledge of the OT is more than helpful, and this takes time to acquire. You are right about hugs/kisses in most non-Western European cultures. There is the Catholic-Buddhist-Hindu-Wicca-New Age-Muslim who claims to believe something, as long as it isnt Jesus, the blood, resurrection, personal sin or wrath for it. Peace. It was just a few passing comments but very telling. I suspect it is. My apologies for any/all misunderstandings. I think its gross. Or something. I once spoke with a friend very much of your perspective who insisted that the story of the rich man and Lazarus was an account of an actual, literal event, because Jesus had not announced it as a parable, and therefore Hell was a place in which you had to be capable of yelling across the chasm between Heaven and Hell (which must be directly across a canyon from Heaven, because thats the way Jesus told it) and speaking to people like Abraham and Lazarus, requesting that they dip fingers into water to soothe their torment. David Jeremiah is an enormously successful author, as well as an excellent pastor. A similar question might be: are any YEC hardliners (specifically, NOT those who simply hold to YEC, but those who BOTH hold to YEC themselves AND make it a fundamental salvation issue for others) going to have the courage to tell God how much the OEC Christians always despised him, and that he shouldnt be associating with us? Also worth reading. There are those who have slaved years to earn that qualification (I am surrounded by them) and it indicated the low character of the man that he would think it acceptable to add a dishonest and unearned distinction to his name. When I got home, Not like it is a litmus test or shibboleth. That is why you must vote. In the apostolic age of Christianity, how harmoniously were these qualities displayed! The duo has been a power couple since then. Nope, not at all. Thats imo a game-changer from good will to intentional ignorance and/or laziness. In 2017 (the most recent year for which a Form 990 for Turning Point Ministries is available), Turning Point spent $10.4-million on product fulfillment, which is the cost of books and other materials sent to donors. Not sure; it hinted against flesh foods but never mentioned Flood Geology. Does that make sense? That was Hal. I pulled that out of an article I read last night in a journal, where the author put the date of creation at 4199 BC. I think it will be the same way at the Second Coming. I doubt that many of us would follow (or take) a traditional pattern of faith, whatever that is. The other grandfather was even more non demonstrative. After being unwell the prior month, many are wondering if David Jeremiah is still sick. How often do we get a chance to combine Result Source, lots of money being made by preachers selling books, Satan's financing of Armageddon with oil from the Garden of Eden, honorary doctorates, and TBN all in one fell swoop? But for a God for whom there is no time, He standing outside of time, not bound as are we, a thousand years is a day and a day a thousand years. I really have enjoyed it. Finally, brethren, I think the bible will not yield its treasures to those who are not prepared to put time and effort into studying it. And he (Jesus) is before all things, and by him (Jesus) all things consist. Regarding the timing of the rapture and tribulation, many Christians in the world are already going through tribulation. And much more. Also, i am genuinely puzzled by the view of all Grerk cultural/social influence being bad or corrupting. TEOTWAWKI or even just SHTF or not. Certainly, given the brittleness of modern society, that is quite possible. I wont. His talk on the pastorals gives excellent background, looking at the text to see just what problems Paul was seeking to correct. Apostasy the Lord prophesied a massive falling away from the faith during the tribulation, and a ramp-up preceding it. In spite of the fact that, at the time, he believed he had fully healed, he recently went through a procedure to repair certain difficulties that were caused by the injuries he sustained. If so, in retrospect from a later date or prophetically from an earlier date? And wealth is ok but 25 million? Gen 1:1, In Jesus Christ, God created the heaven and the earth. (Chicago, February 2015) Tyndale House Publishers will partner with New York Times bestselling author and Bible teacher Dr. David Jeremiah to produce the companion books for NBCs A.D. I dont like TV drama but X Files seemed to be in a class by itself. Did I not read somewhere that there exists a seed smaller than a mustard seed? I never watch it unless I am doing some research for the blog. I have a problem with what you seem to be saying. I compare it to the Salem Witch Trials. Please feel free to see if any will engage you there. I am pleased that you find great comfort in your plain reading of Scripture. n eternal life is just around the corner. without appreciating New Wave, Cyberpunk and so on. We all know what to do when we have a heretic in our midst, the Lorth sayeth to cast out the evil one from among you, let us all now show the Lords love by throwing Bro Jimmy into the street. What of Benjamins portion at the feast that Joseph/Zaphenath-Paneah gave? We think we may watch some more in the coming weeks. @ Victorious: As much as scholars wanted to convince me that the newer translation (by a Monk in the 1300s called Pagnino) did not change the understanding, I said they were nuts. Well, no. But the true prophets of God have spoken, and so has Jesus. many of the nonCatholics they have known who insist on total depravity. I think it was one of the better TV dramas. Also known as sowing a seed, in this still pic, Jeremiah was urging people to send money to TBN based on the sowing principle. :-p. Maybe Bob Kauflin can write the new X Files theme. And you can tell the Honorary Doctorates; according to comments in prior TWW threads, when they INSIST on being called Doctor and stress it to the sheeple, its an Honorary (Larry-Moe-Curly or cash-up-front diploma mill). WRT the cheek/air kiss, it is universal among my friends an acquaintances from the Middle East, and AFAIK it is merely a cordial form of greeting without other meanings. Email:[emailprotected] But what have I lost for just taking God at His Word? How those two things are connected and what that means for the last generation is something we will just have to wait and see. David Jeremiah is a well-known author who also started a community church. I am writing a blog about it now. I love to drop bombs into conversations on theology. I think Doug accurately expressed a North American view that described it as gross. Also with the flu epidemic? Has He Recovered From His Illness Yet? Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is on Me; because of this He has anointed Me to proclaim the Gospel to the poor. David Jeremiah Net Worth: $ 100 Million. Is the word Beginning always referring to time? Also Read:Where Is Joe Davis Dodger Announcer Today? If you look at the Danvers Statment, for example, the authors begin the statement with poisoning the well with all the scarystuff without ever demonstrating that the scarystuff is caused by women achieving civil equality. I, the political motivation becomes obvious fears of being annexed by France, which had some basis in reality, and other things as well. Knowing I enjoy studying prophecy, he urged me to tune in to the sermon series. So did Paul. Why does anyone care? This exclusive club has less than 90 members, and they include Billy Graham, Chuck Colson, and Jerry Falwell. In your honor, I took all of my Mahaney books (a stack) and put them in the paper recycling; and Did you know there are some pastors and theologians believe that if you dont accept a Rapture, you are not a Christian? I think this is actually happening, sorry to say. May God continue to use our brother to presch the Gospel and to bui;ld up believers in Christ. The current Genderite obsession with Gods supposed displeasure with females teaching males will follow a similar trajectory, I think, and future generations will wonder who spiked the punch at the gospelly conference. I swear thats a fair and true summary of what he said. I once bought a book that outlined the different interpretations of Revelation. Then you should check out Babylon 5. The plain meaning would be to greet one another warmly, ISTM. God commanded the kings of Israel not to acquire great numbers of horses not because there was anything wrong with horses but with what the horses representedthe ability to wage war and the temptation to rely on those means rather than relying on God. If you dont care enough about it to try and figure out how to get it in the hands of other people, nobody else is going to either. 2) In 1981 he became the Pastor of Shadow Mountain Community Church. Worth watching. Shreejal Maharjan There are so many views and speculations about the Second Coming. And yes, since I am not under the Mosaic Law in any respect, and am a gentile believer in the church age, I mix clothing all of the time. As for Jeremiahs partnership on TBN with the Crouches et al, and with Downey/Burnett et al, the Bible says. In the Bible? If he kept the money, did he disclose this income to the boards of Turning Point Ministries, which is responsible for setting his salary? dee wrote: It seems since this was originally published the downhill apostasy slide has increased its velocity, sadly. Tabitha 3y ago LIVE Points 318 Rating Similar Questions How much is moonstone worth? Cedarville College awarded him his doctorate after he completed his studies there for his masters degree at Dallas Theological Seminary. So, what do you think was outside the Garden of Eden since God formed Adam outside the Garden and then placed him in it?. This is why Id rather be watching original Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, or perhaps Night Gallery episodes. Ken, when you do the historical and cultural background study of Ephesus and Corinth, will you let me know what you discovered about the plain reading vs. the plain meaning? It will be my first time through it slowly, Yes But that is what the text plainly says. IOW, horse meant literally the 4-legged swift animal *and* also represented the means to make war effectively *at the time the text was written. I couldnt make a decision. 4:17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.. Now I am off to read about Al Andalus! For example, it might mean tank or armored personnel vehicle or fighter jet in our historical context. @ Gram3: A horse is a horse of course, of course Isnt that an indisputable fact? @ Jacob C: , Pray for Mandy and her family who may be evicted from their home this weekend. Ive shared a dream I had some 38 yrs. Makes no sense to me. . How you, too,can get a Doctor of Divinity degree. I havent heard him talk about such a wacky view towards Satan and End Times. Ive no problem with making a living and prospering and doing well for ones self. Its a bit lengthy so I wont share it here, but the bottom line is women are free, they just dont KNOW it. Is different from my Plain Reading of Gen 1:1 , In Jesus Christ God created the heaven and the earth, And I really love the Plain Reading of Daniel. He is responding to a question from the audience about end times chronology. Thats who. Ken, when you do the historical and cultural background study of Ephesus and Corinth, will you let me know what you discovered about the plain reading vs. the plain meaning? He spent his early life under the guidance of his father, who was a Baptist pastor himself. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: I dont think they should if they are saying that *only* women are called to imitate Christ in his submission. Do me a favor and lets not go there in this thread. He is a man of average stature. That was quite a show. I have seen it it isnt gross in my opinion. Arent vampires supposed to be shadowless? 70 PER CENT OF USA IS CHRISTIAN INCLUDING ARMY, NAVY, MARINES ETC. Verification of diving systems; Pressure Testing; Subsea Testing; Test Facilities; Chemical analysis. @ Lydia: Well, Matthew 24:21 is pretty clear: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.. He's also on Twitter, where he goes by the name @davidjeremiah. Ministry Watch 2022 All rights reserved. I enjoyed the more recent series Fringe, which actually talked about their investigations as a continuation of the X-Files project. Well, the concept of Original Sin does not exist in either Judaism or Islam. The conservative Christian abides by the scriptures and does not compromise on his faith. Yet, Jeremiah has identified himself with the teachings of all these men (2 John 11). Surely no-one needs that sort of wealth to live day to day. Is the horse a literal horse? @ Corbin: I guess the part about the rich in the bible doesnt apply to them. I watched it for a while when it was new but to keep the story lines going the story lines had to keep getting more and more nuts to the point where it was, well, just plain nuts. It is a fundamental way of looking at Scripture that takes the guru out of the equation. This is reaching back about fifteen years into my memory banks, but I vividly recall Jeremiah saying in a radio broadcast that as the end of the world approaches, everything will begin to cast very noticeable shadows, even things that did not previously have a shadow. I will pay for that, and I should. That sounds like a storytelling trope I call echoes & parallels, where you add depth to a narrative by having events echo & parallel one another; dont know the actual name of the trope, but it sounds related to use of archetypes. He remarked he doesnt watch pastors who make millions of dollars and live in mansions; while this did not occur to me regarding Dr. Jeremiah I do wonder how he feels about this. Mike Pence. Who feeds church kids this nonsense? A lot of the time, I just want to see if I am really crazy or not. I have friends who are conservative Pentecostal Christians. That said, I am increasingly inclined to default to the view of sin existing but Original Sin, as the doctrine developed early in church history and elaborated upon as time passed not so much. He is in my opinion Satan in disguise. the heavens (all of them) @ Doug: I think the way to come to grips with them is to embrace them as being true prophecy that will be fulfilled in their entirety, and take comfort in Gods faithfulness in being able to protect and provide for His children. What I would like to know is, when we get there, who out of all those who post here is going to be the one to have the courage to ask. Driving to the hotel, he explained to Robert that oil deposits result from the decomposition of plant and animal life now buried by eons of time. Barren sand and blazing desert now exist where once grew a garden flourishing with dense, lush flora, the likes of which the world has not seen since. @ Gram3: But that does not mean he brought license, since he embodied the greater Law in his person. Where have I appealed in any way to modern culture? I agree with you (my preferrerd mode) that background reading is very useful, perhaps sometimes essential, but I would still maintain that it is as a rule possible to understand the text without doing this providing you are careful. Like I have said b4, thanks for doing what you do. I think we can go off track into modalism, and we can be like some social trinitarians who wander in the direction of tri-theism. The home is situated on a hill with stunning views of the city and the ocean. Is it the one-dimensional obsession with *only* the penal substitutionary theory of the atonement and disregarding Christus Victor or Ransom or whatever? I was the original commenter who brought up DTSdont want to hijack this thread into too much about them. David Jeremiah is married to his beautiful wife, Donna Jeremiah. Of course, that sounds like medical diagnosiswe frequently talk about something being consistent with which does not mean necessarily a confirmed diagnosis but it does mean a step up from cannot be ruled out at this time.. Why couldnt the oil have been form the tree of life!. The premil-dispy view was taught as fact, and I didnt know there were any options. so my truck has decided to practice separation from me, since I am a reprobate. Why does it always seem to go one way? may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: Col 1:26 RE: Kissing men Biblical Style. The stinging locusts of may be insects or they may be teen-inesy flying drones. But more importantly, Ive had a life with hope. Because THAT was also The Plain Reading of SCRIPTURE(TM). There are good arguments for both sides in scripture as far as I can tell. the words that I speak unto you, **they are spirit,** and they are life. This teaching series is the Scripture behind the story of the dramatic NBC television event, A.D. To counter that argument, some literalist Christian would try to prove that a mustard seed really is the smallest seed. Im not sure what you mean by Greeks reworking things. See my reply upthread. Rosh means head or beginning as in Rosh Hashanah. In the interview Jeremiah flatly said that the duo creates shows that honor the word of God and doesnt pervert it. The fact that Donald Trump was hailed as some type of messiah by Christians, and not the two bit grifter he is, is disgusting. Ah, yes. We Christians can dish it out, but our lives arent looking so good. But in this view, i am diverging from my roots, though others are diverging right along with me. I am indeed sad that many people who like Dr David Jeremiah will be grieved to read this news, myself included. I dont believe GARBC pastors would associate with name it claim it charismatic Christians because they feel it would mean they are approving of name it claim it beliefs. What religion is Shadow Mountain Community Church? and reading around the background, culture and even languages or the original recipients to get a greater feel for the book. The fact that he is a shill for TBN, and part of the xian/industrial complex is reason to hold him up for scrutiny. How much is david jeremiah worth? His predecessor in the church was Tim LaHaye of Left Behind fame. During Dr. Jeremiah's planned hours at "Singing in The Sun" this year, Dr. Ralph Sexton will preach in his place. :o). Prophecies, dreams, proverbs, visions, much (most?) See the problem? And I see nothing wrong with the claim that oil is the new gold; oil has become a vital resource and the harm its scarcity can do was made all too clear in the last few years with $100+ oill. Which is just an ad hom because they have no real refutation of the points made against their position. Precisely right. Come on now. The following year, the couple visited and put a show in many places like Phoenix and Atlanta. To my mind not having enough evidence to establish something is not the same thing as having enough evidence to disallow something. That is why we have these disagreements about what will happen as opposed to what did happen. Someone once said that God describing who he is to us is like us describing who we are to a mollusk. Secondly, on the greatest tribulation, could it be that this is the coming of the new heaven and the new earth? I compare it to the Salem Witch Trials. Why Did ResultSource Need David Jeremiahs Ministry to Help Get Mark Driscoll on the New York Times Best Seller List? There is a slippery slope on both sides: rigid literalism and fuzzy metaphor. At the time I used to give such issues lots of thought, to get a strictly egalitarian view would have meant going to theological liberals or dodgy charismatics. Guess my shift is over! and float away? Bigger than the flood, any event that happened up to His time, and not equaled by any event to follow. In that same year, Dr. Jeremiah married his college sweetheart, Donna Thompson who also was attending Cedarville College as a business major. If you want to move some of my comments there, feel free. They say you got to cuss, cry or pray. As Jamieson Commentary says of the above verse. you will become unable to ever feel hope ever again. IOW, horse meant literally the 4-legged swift animal *and* also represented the means to make war effectively *at the time the text was written. At least, I HOPED we were past it. When Americans fill up their cars with gasoline, they are filling them with the detritus of the Garden of Eden. Moreover, in 2000, he exchanged wedding vows with Meredith Rae. And talk about bad movies, yikes! Although He did say Satan MAY (and not WILL)finance his coming whatever by the oil from the Middle East.Im from the same generation as Mr Jeremiah.perhaps he still remembers his historywhen that was considered the cradle of civilization & there was a presumed lush Fertile Crescent. One of my friends brought to the attention of the rest of us that David is worth millions of dollars. I dont believe so. And they are. I doubt very much whether it will take any courage at all to ask how God did it all, nor should it. That this will occur is crystal clear. What part of the OT law do you CHOOSE not to observe? Calvinism is so easy to disbelieve. As in No True Scotsman? Help Paul do this. Also Read:What Happened To Mike Lynch From WCVB? It does not have to be end times for bits of the sky to fall. As far as the rapture is concerned, how can you get any clearer than 1 Thess. Why do the French do it? The complementarians rely on the good will of people. The question is, said Humpty Dumpty, which is to be master thats all., From: Lewis Carrolls Through the Looking Glass. Humans are, by nature, interpreters of people and events. and **lean NOT unto thine own understanding. However, I doubt if any of them would be very welcome at an American Patriarchs Convention. I buried my sister and mother here and this is home, I agree that is utterly pathetic even disgusting but it is what I feel. Just in case anyone was trying (with no conspicuous success) to figure out what was what. One of the challenges if you write as a Christian is that Christian bookstores dont report to the bestsellers lists, so youve got to build a marketplace in the Barnes & Nobles, the Books-A-Millions, the Targets, the big houses so the books get counted. So now let us make a covenant with our God to send away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law. Actually the rapture theory as taught today is a relatively new theory supposedly received buy a young lady in the early 18 hundreds in a so called vision she says she received. He says right there that the tribulation would not be equaled by any other event(s) in the history of the world. For many years, the NRB required its members to also be members of the ECFA the Evangelical Council for Financial Integrity. and my doctorate, which while earned, not bestowed, is not really the same thing as those true academic doctorates. The education details are not available at this time. Below is a screen shot from the November 2014 TBN Praise-A-Thon where Jeremiah is preaching the sowing principle. I am all for that. Please feel free to let me know of your concerns for DTS. It feels OK to you because men are called into the hero and ruler role. Gory at times, though. The couple went to many cities. Cannot understand that any evangelist could be connected to Donald Trump. But then, i dont go out of my way to look for them, either. I understand there are differences and that I may be completely wrong.
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