Parts of his story"seventh-string" quarterbacks, canisters of film, Plan B free agency, general managers stepping in as coaches, quarterback controversies that last multiple seasons and don't end with epic tradesbarely make sense anymore. It's a matter of doing what's right (for the team). Largent broke a bone in his elbow early in the 1989 season and announced his retirement late in the year. However, he faltered in midseason, so Coach Knox benched him in favor of Gale Gilbert. In reply to Lol. "Rodney Dangerfield Gets More Respect Than Seattle's Krieg" was the headline of the profile I just cited. Heck, Krieg owes most of the last seven years of his career to defense-oriented coaches and their obsession with veteran caretakers. Krieg backed up Zorn and Sam Adkins as an undrafted rookie. "He's a streak passer, and when he's on a hot streak, it's hard to get him out of that rhythm.". Labor disputes! 1988 SEAHAWKS: Had his worst game as a pro replacing injured Dave Krieg in loss to 49ers in Week 4. Dave Krieg. The Seahawks then lost to Esiason's Bengals in the playoffs. I swear, I'm going to be accused of being a secret Cowboys fan, but I'm going to tout Romo again. I remember Kelly Stouffer as part of the terrible trio who quarterbacked the '92 Seahawks. Someone even wrote a book about it that was the partial basis for an ESPN 30 for 30 of the same name. David Michael Krieg (born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League. The Kansas City Chiefs sacked Krieg 9 times, including an NFL-record 7 sacks by linebacker Derrick Thomas. "He's the man we're going with," Turner said of Krieg at the time. and losers (oh no, Lions) of the 2023 NFL Draft, Ranking all 32 current NHL away jerseys, from worst to best, The Brewers' Willy Adames got ejected after a blatantly spiteful sequence from umpire Adam Beck, Will Levis' sad night sitting in the NFL Draft green room in 8 photos and videos, A fired-up Steph Curry told the Kings to 'light the beam' as the Warriors ended Sacramento's season, Will Levis's Pro Day quote on not wanting to be in NFL Draft green room if he wasn't a first-round pick was sadly prescient, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Sign Up. ', and I said, 'I guess I do now.'". You dont say! [11] In 1994, Krieg signed with the Detroit Lions to back up Scott Mitchell. Late in the 1992 season, I think it was against the Steelers, the recording ended early, like at the end of the 3rd quarter. As an aside, I won a FF championship with him as my starter for half a season during his Chicago year. There's something oddly poetic about Dave Krieg giving up a record number of sacks in a game, then scrambling around to barely avoid giving up an 8th sack, and then winning the game with an improbable long touchdown pass. It may not display this or other websites correctly. DeBerg went 40 of 58 for 539 yards the next two games to beat New England and Dallas, the eventual SB winner, in the Leon Lett game. Rising to the occasion, Krieg threw for 3,671 yards and 32 touchdowns, leading his team to a 12-4 record and another wild card playoff appearance. A few other comments from somebody who has watched almost every Seahawks game since 1984. This logic certainly has some merit. Kried to Largent was a thing for several years. [35] Although McNair recovered from his injury and could have re-entered the game, the team let Krieg finish. Patera was the only head coach in team history, and he led them to 9-7 records in 1978 and 1979. Krieg proceeded to lead the Seahawks to another playoff appearance, but Krieg's performance failed to prevent a narrow loss on the road in the first round against the Houston Oilers. Be sure to comply with laws applicable where you reside. Krieg led the Seahawks to a pair of easy early-season wins, then suffered one of his midseason mini-apocalypses against the Chargers, throwing three interceptions before a separated shoulder sidelined him for weeks. He was the hottest thing on the planet in October of 93 as many believed Miami couldnt win a game without Marino. [14], Despite a prodigious effort by Mike McCormack to recruit Warren Moon to join the QB ranks in Seattle, Krieg resumed his starting role 1984 after Moon declined Seattle's offer and chose to play for the Houston Oilers instead. Romo, on the other hand, was flashier and more gifted than Krieg. Again, his passer rating told the tale: 3 horrible games (below 50), 4 mediocre ones (50s and 60s), 5 good efforts (70s and 80s), and 4 outstanding performances (90s or better). After hovering around .500 forever for Knox and playing for Schottenheimer and Ryan, Krieg was destined to end up with Fisher. The Seahawks lost 15-3 to the Giants (Stouffer fumbled out of the back of the end zone) and 41-14 to the Broncos. Then he pulled a Benjamin Button and went slowly backwards after that. Krieg threw for 264 yards and two touchdowns, including a 57-yard game-winner to Largent, in a win over a strong Jets team. Patera's attitude toward unions was predictable. In reply to I liked DeBerg, he had by Noahrk. [21] Nevertheless, Krieg's strong regular season showing earned him another Pro Bowl appearance. I felt really old when I had to explain to a younger fan who I was getting my picture with though. that season, because of Kreig. But Krieg was Kryptonite for southpaw quarterbacks, and he had one last quarterback controversy left in him. Krieg led a 90-yard touchdown drive to bring the Chiefs within 7 points, but the Buffalo Bills scored 10 unanswered points in the fourth quarter to qualify for their fourth straight Super Bowl appearance. *DeBerg goes into coaching and becomes the Giants quarterbacks coach in 1995-1996; Reeves was the Giants' head coach and hired DeBerg. Have for years merged Dave Krieg and Steve DeBerg together into fusion of the ultimate 80s journeyman QB, Stave KrieBerg. Mind you, thats without an offensive line. That makes a difference," said Meyer, who had suggested years earlier that a big-league arm doesn't make much difference. Dave was lots of fun (along with some gnashing of teeth). And so a quarterback controversy was born. Terms apply, see operator site for Terms and Conditions. We're talking about this in-house. Cross Ryan Fitzpatrick with Tony Romo and you might just end up with Dave Krieg. WebLegendary fumbling quarterback Dave Krieg third on the all-time list with 153 was rumored to have teeny hands. Curt Warner purchased an auto dealership in Vancouver. Steve DeBerg, a career journeyman mentor who arrived in Kansas City at age 33, had been the Chiefs starter for four seasons, leading the team to the playoffs twice. Wheeeee!!!!!! The Seahawks went 9-7 but missed the playoffs. Krieg threw 32 touchdown passes, earned a Pro Bowl berth behind Marino, and finished seventh in DVOA and eighth in DYAR despite a league-high 24 interceptions. He signed with the Bears to back up Erik Kramer. Viewers of Dave Krieg, also viewed Joe Montana (66) American football player John Elway (62) Join us for a final installment of the Legends of DVOA which spans nearly a generation and features labor strikes, cantankerous coaches, and over a decade's worth of quarterback controversies. Veteran Jeff Kemp, who looked great when throwing to Largent against insurance salesmen in 1987, flopped in a one-game trial as the backup. Statistically, the 1994 season was the best of Krieg's career: Krieg completed 61.8% of his passes and threw 14 touchdowns versus only 3 interceptions, for a passer rating of 101.7. -The link to the Jets game is the wrong link. Log In. You are using an out of date browser. Jeff Hostetler signed with the Raiders at the same time Mitchell signed with the Lions, and he kind of worked out okay (didn't light the world on fire stats-wise, but did make a Pro Bowl and won a lot of games as a starter). "He picks out secondary and tertiary receivers. Seattle Mariners @ Oakland Athletics May 2-4. That was an ancient DeBerg who came in late in the season in relief of an injured Marino and did a bang-up job. WebDavid Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). Completed only 1 of 12 passes If Dave Krieg hadn't interfered in 1992, DeBerg would have been replaced by Montana a second time, this time with the Chiefs,in 1993. [15], Krieg's inconsistency contributed to the mediocrity of the Seahawks in 1985. Gaddini sent the Seahawks "a couple of canisters of film," in Krieg's words, and Krieg boarded an airplane for the first time in his life to travel to Seattle for a tryout. They werent small either. More posts you may like. WebPeople named Dave Krieg. Given the opportunity to play in the fourth game of his freshman season (1976), he completed four passesthree of them for touchdownsand continued to play well enough to start for the rest of his college career. Despite Krieg's solid play, the visiting Lions lost narrowly to the Green Bay Packers in the first round of the playoffs. But Dan McGwire (brother of Mark)was somehow worse. He placed first in the basketball and rowing events, beating athletes including Gault, Walker, Randall Cunningham, Evander Holyfield, and Carl Lewis. The Chiefs signed Joe Montana to really feed their habit in 1993. Looking back across an almost endless career that spanned two strikes, two decades, and parts of several distinct NFL eras, I'm left struggling with the question of just how good Krieg really was. WebClick the graphic to view Dave Krieg's video and to find out about his involvement and appearances with the NFL's Health and Wellness Program. I got my picture taken with him at a signing event at a bar during some pregame festivities a few years ago, he looked just about the same as his playing days. Kemp relieved Krieg in the fourth quarter and nearly led the Seahawks on a scoring drive in the final 71 seconds. As someone who is arguably the greatest to ever take snaps from under center, Brady didnt have especially large hands. Krieg was not in training camp that season, but intended on playing a 20th NFL season. Mitchell finished 25th in DVOA and 26th in DYAR. Maybe they should have just switched sides for the afternoon. His college teams had a 14-30 record in games he started (not exactly in a power conference either), and he was brutal his senior year, completing fewer than 55% of his passes with twice as many INTs as TDs (7-14). He was impressing coaches and teammates with his ability to fire tight spirals into the wind. After Mitchell's poor half season in '94., everyone was ready to jump off the bandwagon. WebHad some really good moments with Krieg.But he gets my vote for the All time NFL Quarterbacks with the most Balls slipped out of his hands( i swear he must have some That decision helped doom the Seahawks to several seasons of misery and mediocrity under a succession of uninspired quarterbacks. Things weren't going well. Knox had led the Rams and Bills to the playoffs in his last two stops. DeBerg was actually a pretty decent NFL QB for much of his career, but was always getting replaced by someone who was better or expected to be (and ultimately was) better - Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve Young. In 1986, Krieg played well initially, leading the Seahawks to a 53 record. WebDave Krieg is near the bottom; I consider him to be the poster child for small-handed quarterbacks. He went 1-of-3 for 10 yards while being sacked twice. Milton College closed in 1982, while Krieg was still dueling with Zorn. We should ask Bears legend Russell Wilson. Krieg threw 18 touchdown passes in the regular season and four more in the two playoff wins before getting intercepted three times by the eventual Super Bowl champions. Knox resigned. pic.twitter.com/wmVSmWf5oO Krieg took a seven-step drop on the very first play from scrimmage and launched a bomb to rookie receiver Daryl "Deep Heat" Turner for an 80-yard touchdown. He wouldn't make his retirement official until 2000 after no takers emerged for his services. Krieg would throw 11 touchdowns and just one interception during that winning streak. Garrett Gilbert, Gale's son, made an emergency start for the Cowboys last year. Coming from a small college, I didn't feel like I had any resources to fall back to for help outside of football. My favorite Kelly Stouffer statline is from 1991. WebIn a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, help is available. He appeared in two other games, going 3-of-3 for 57 yards in relief during a 44-14 blowout of Cincinnati and going 1-of-2 for 3 yards in a loss to the Jets. There are plenty of starting quarterback examples, who also had small hand measurements at the Combine, that we can point to and say this wont matter in determining his future. Yeah, it doesnt look any better in writing. There are so many good bad stats from this team, but my personal favorite is that they never topped 17 points on the season and had a six-game stretch in which they scored 22 points total! However, on the last play of the game, as time expired, Thomas closed in for yet another apparent sack, but Krieg eluded the linebacker and threw a 25-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Paul Skansi for the win. Stouffer, as mentioned, was terrible. [29] The team went 4-12, which resulted in head coach Buddy Ryan and Krieg losing their jobs. Fortunately the rest of my team was stacked. Dave Krieg. Dave is proud to be a board Rhome told the press that Krieg "had nothing but a rifle for an arm" when the Seahawks decided to keep him, but he had since learned the position. Cranky coaches! -Deberg, a decent QB in his own right, is the king of Hall of Fame backups. BackCAST 2023: Is Zach Charbonnet Overrated? Oh that guy undrafted from a College that no longer has a football program, had small hands and took over for Zorn and who drove Knox nuts but found a way to win most the time. I was about to jump in by Joey-Harringto. Then he melted down in the Wildcard Game, leading to one of the all-time playoff beat-downs, and subsequently went back to being the Scott Mitchell we all know and love today. The Krieg-led Lions in the 2nd half of '94 was one of my favorite Lions teams to watch. At least the Seahawks suckered the Bears into giving up a first round pick for him! Kreig Kreig Hrm, you reckon this young whipper-snapper means old Mudbone outta Milton College? Yep. One blemish that somehow always appears around NFL Combine season is discussing a quarterbacks hand size. One footnote: Gale Gilbert has one other distinction other than being awful - being on the roster for five straight Super Bowl losses. They are always starting for a 6-10 team, and fumbling twice per game. (Chiefs safety Deron Cherry intercepted four of the passes). WebDave Krieg profile, statistics and more. I have no idea what force convinced me to type Ripon not Milton, but MILTONis CORRECT! "We just decided to make a change to hopefully get some spark in there and be able to make some plays we haven't been making," Knox said. Something exciting or dreadful was going to happen, but it was always interesting. See Photos. Stouffer stepped in and led the Seahawks to a pair of wins, mostly by handing off to Warner and John L. Williams. 5) The 1985 Seahawks were a strange,consistently inconsistent team. In Week 16, Krieg was benched and Stouffer got his first start of that season. I called home and complained, my Dad said, yeah, we don't watch the games, it's too depressing so we just set up the VCR and send you the tapes. However, the 10-6 Seahawks failed to qualify for the playoffs. The other players profiled in this series had multiple seasons near the top of the DVOA leaderboards. Packers defender Sean Jones said after the game that he was wary of Krieg coming off the bench. He threw two interceptions in a 38-7 loss to the Jets, then got benched at halftime of a 27-7 loss to the Chiefs. he joked to Beckys-Place.com, a Seahawks fan site, in 2005. He went 1-of-8 for 2 yards, three sacks, and one interception in the first half of a Week 8 against the Steelers, who were without Jack Lambert on defense and Terry Bradshaw on offense. Please keep me in your thoughts. How he not only went 6th overall, but had the audacity to hold out and force a trade (and it worked! "He had some big plays and rallied us. He was slated to back up Scott Mitchell, the lefty who signed a three-year, $11.1-million contract (that figure's supposed to sound huge, folks) after looking great in relief of Marino for the Dolphins in 1993. Patera was fired near the start of the strike. [37][38], Krieg was released by the rechristened Tennessee Titans in July 1999 after the team signed Neil O'Donnell to backup McNair. See Photos. [31] Statistically, Krieg's performance was inconsistent: his passer rating ranged from subpar (4 games below 60) to mediocre (2 games in the 60s) to good (3 games in the 80s and 90s) to outstanding (3 games over 100). and the Quarterback who didn't know how to adjust his chin strap properly it always ended up under his nose. Another high first-rounder (who was at least good in college) McGwire managed 3 INTs and 3 sacks (0 TDs) in his only start of the season. Our final Legends of DVOA installment looks at the two-decade career of Dave Krieg, a In reply to Great work, Mike by billycurley. See Photos. I remember reading his columns when I was an undergraduate college student in central Pennsylvania in the early-to-mid 1990s and especially as a graduate student in western Pennsylvania in the late 1990s. "Dave was in the zone", McNair explained. Players shook hands with opponents as a sign of union solidarity before preseason games in 1982, and the usual suspects reacted as if they were burning puppies cradling bibles wrapped in flags. WebThe official source for NFL news, video highlights, fantasy football, game-day coverage, schedules, stats, scores and more. Gilbert should have kept looking. Were supposed to forgetor even simply sidelinethoughts of how accurate of a passer a person is or how well they do under pressure. Once he became a starter, he was never not above average, usually well above average, except in a year where he couldn't get to 200 attempts due to injury. I think DeBerg, who had been an assistant coach with the Giants for a couple years between 1994 and 1997, was signed by the Falcons because their top two quarterbacks went down and he had a long-time relationship with Falcons head coach Dan Reeves: *DeBerg drafted by the Cowboys in the 10th round in 1977 though cut before the season; Reeves was a Cowboys assistant coach at the time under Tom Landry. WebKrieg was the holder of the NFL record for most career fumbles for many years, owing to both a lengthy career at quarterback and extremely small hands for the position. And if he's down, he bounces right back. He played through an era of rapid strategic, financial, and administrative transition across the NFL. Football Outsiders content published by ESPN. I always enjoyed watching Krieg. The World League castoff Stan Gelbaugh was somehow the best QB on the roster (and he was god awful). Krieg would have another weak game, throwing an interception and fumbling in his own end zone in a 34-7 loss to the Bengals. I remember thinkingat the time that having to watch Stouffer lead Seahawks offense over and over again must be one of the punishments sinners endure in hell. Krieg placed third overall, behind Willie Gault and Herschel Walker. It's the link to the first Jets game of the season (Krieg played in the second). The union demanded free agency, rookies held out, and the league nearly cannibalized itself. In fact, the media gushed over Krieg, and he was well-regarded (as I recall) among national fans. Must be 21 or older to gamble. The Seahawks finished a disappointing 79, leading to the resignation of Coach Knox. Zorn, meanwhile, was getting into hot water with Patera, possibly for criticizing the offensive line, possibly for visibly supporting the NFL Players Association in the weeks leading up to a work stoppage. Krieg (as you mentioned)was awesome down the stretch, Herman Moore was emerging as a star, and Barry Sanders was having one of his signature seasons. ), finishing 8-8. Krieg Stroud, Mike Tanier's Final Three-Round Mock Draft, Things to Do While Waiting for Aaron Rodgers. He didn't get many opportunities to impress recruiters, so he ended up at Milton College, a tiny NAIA program located southeast of Madison. Searching for contemporary comparisons for Krieg may be missing the point, however. That game against the Chiefs in KC where he was sacked 8 or 9 times but got the game winning TD pass to Skansi. I have actually walked on the campus of MILTON, not Ripon college, as well as Alma College in Michigan when my late father suggested that, just to be sure, should also look at small colleges not just the big land grant State schools. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. David Krieg. The next week, Krieg's steady performance helped the Seahawks upset Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins on the road. WebInterestingly, his span is a whopping 17.6% wider than Anthony Davis' despite being nine inches shorter. The nine-year Ken Behring era in Seattle after Krieg and Knox's departure was mostly terrible. Neither Krieg nor the Chiefs must have noticed that anything much had changed. He finished the season fourth in DVOA (behind Tommy Kramer, Marino, and Boomer Esiason) and eighth in DYAR. But then I looked up Steve DeBerg's stats, and it turns out his Kansas City years were pretty damn good: 3 straight top-10 passing DVOA finishes for a perennial playoff contender. [43], He was inducted into the Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor in 2004.[17]. But who would hand off to Warner? Have 5hoguht about book like that or. 907830E5-9AEB-4FD2-9C5E-5AFCA574DF26.jpeg. My favorite memory was when CBS named him as the player of the game but spelled his name wrong on the graphic. I was dragged in to help out a friend in one of the very firstFantasy Football leagueshe couldn't decide on a QBI said 'no matter what the situation, Dave Krieg always finds a way to shine through' He DID win the Fantasy Champ. Free agency was in its infancy, and he was the first in a long line of backups to get mega deals off the back of a few fill-in starts. FactSnippet No. Dave Krieg. Broadcasters and columnists alike loved to tell the story of the seventh-stringer from tiny Milton College. But the career leader in quarterback fumbles is none other than Hall of Famer Brett Favre, with 166. Krieg and the Seahawks had a down year in 1985. He backed up Montana in San Francisco, Elway in Denver, Young in Tampa, and Marino in Miami. it is difficult to explain to younger fans just how big the Mitchell deal was at the time. Smizik was often curmudgeonly in his writing. good grief How can you forget a dude who had 108 fumbles and 148 interceptions in 119 starts for this team? He endured 53 sacks and fumbled 16 times in a typically dreary afterthought of a Ryan offense. And Favres hands are a semi-gigantic 1013 inches from thumb to pinkie. Krieg posted a career of 98-77. Yes, that one season was pretty extraordinary, but he's going to have to wait for Mike to write a series of "One Hit Wonders" articles. In light of that, as well as everything else, we made the change.". Krieg would have disappeared if Gaddini didn't have a connection in the Seahawks personnel department. As someone old enough to remember when Dave Krieg came on the scene to replace Jim Zorn in 1983, there are a lot of thoughts I want to share, some of which are only tangentially tied to Krieg and some of which were mentioned in the "Aftermath" section of the article: 1) Though Tony Romo was an undrafted player like Krieg (and for that matter Jim Zorn), at least Eastern Illinois University is still in business as an institution of higher learning today. 32 Facts About Dave Krieg | FactSnippet. Gannett may earn revenue from sports betting operators for audience referrals to betting services. Jets link has been fixed. At Milton, a now-defunct small private college in Milton, Wisconsin, Krieg began as the 7th-string quarterback for his school's NAIA team, the Wildcats. Krieg led the Seahawks to a 34-21 win over the Raiders that week. Despite a brief midseason slump, Krieg played more consistently during the strike-shortened 1987 season. However, Krieg still saw substantial action in 1993, relieving Montana in six games, and starting five games for the oft-injured Hall of Famer. Patera tried to fine players half of their game checks for the gesture, which would have cost Zorn $9,000. -Kelly Stouffer is one of the greatest draft mysteries to me ever. All-Pro Steve Largent missed several games because of a fractured elbow. The annual offensive comas his teams lapsed into may well have been the result of outdated offenses, weak pass protection, and coaches who thought shuffling quarterbacks might provide a "spark" and that publicly negging their players would motivate them. It became a Ryan Fitzpatrick/Harvard type deal, and it framed a perception of Krieg as the ultimate underdog. Although the Seahawks managed only a 79 record, Krieg played well enough to earn a return trip to the Pro Bowl, where he performed impressively, helping lead the AFC to victory.[23]. [30], In 1996, the Chicago Bears signed Krieg to back up Erik Kramer. (Both teams finished 5th in their respective AFC divisions in 1980, so they played each other twice in 1981.) "David is the man. Tony Romo was uniformly terrific. Krieg has now been surpassed by both Brett Favre and Warren Moon for career fumbles. -- Krieg is expected to be out for eight weeks with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. Of the top 5 on the chart (the guys who "We went out for pre-game warm-ups and I didn't know if it would be Sam Adkins or myself. Lol. When Zorn continued to struggle in the final game of the season,[12] Coach Mike McCormack inserted Krieg, who rallied Seattle to a victory over the Denver Broncos. WebMaybe Dave Krieg with the small hand thing. The Chiefs lost 30-13. In reply to I remember Kelly Stouffer as by Joey-Harringto. [13], Returning to the bench at the outset of the 1983 campaign, Krieg remained there until Zorn's performance faltered in midseason. If theres one area the greater football world could improve upon, it would be in over-analysis of the smallest details. By the end of his first full season as a starter, Krieg's story was already becoming a trope. Krieg could not, however, lead the Lions past the Packers in the playoffs. Mahomes has played in the AFC Championship Game every year of his starting career and is the leagues arguable best player. NFL's management counsel consulted with the National Labor Relations Board and ordered the fines rescinded. "We don't want him looking over his shoulder to see if every time he makes a mistake we're warming up Dave Krieg," Knox said. But he barely played in Tennessee and retired after the 1998 season. "He was doing a great job moving the team up and down the field. You can get it at Amazon or read it for free as an FO+ subscriber! OK, the surprise game-opening bomb was a pretty standard tactic for run-oriented playcallers. David Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is an American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL).
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